## circular waveguide dimention

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Hi
I am looking into using a circular waveguide for a dual polarized feed and have some thoughts of what diameter I should chose for the circular waveguide. An internet search gives tables for *standard* dimensions for circular waveguides. My frequency band is the commercial backhaul E-band, i.e. 71GHz to 86GHz and the table for circular waveguide dimensions gives some alternatives:
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Then I calculate the cut-off for the lowest modes, I see that several of these waveguides allow the TM01 mode in addition to the dominant TE11 mode. For example, cut-off for TM01 for a ⌀3.18mm waveguide is 72.22Ghz and it is specified 66GHz to 82GHz, i.e. the TM01 is present in the lower half of the frequency band (for some of these bands they have put the lower band limit just above the cut-off the TM01).
My question is why this mode is not considered in general? My simulation indicates that asymmetry in the waveguide (such as misalignment in a joint due to tolerance or the geometry of the OMT) gives a migration of energy from the TE01 mode to the TM11 mode that in turns give rise to cross polarization. I understand that taking this in consideration would reduce the bandwidth, but why is the specified frequency typically centered between the cut-off for the TE11 and the TE01 and with large marginal? I understand that you do not what to be close to the lower cut-off limit due to increased attenuation, but why not be closer to the upper cut-off limit?
In my case I would rather consider a diameter of 2.6mm. This would give me a cut-off for TE11 at 67.62GHz, a cut-off for the TE01: 140.7GHz and a cut-off for the TM01: 88.33GHz.
BR
Thomas
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Uli's list has circular waveguide dimensions:

https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/rectangular-waveguide-dimensions

I will forward this message post to him to see if he has any advice.

Steve
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Hi Thomas,

for pure dominant mode coverage of your 71 to 86GHz band with its (geometrical) center frequency of 78.14GHz I would simply select the following IEC waveguide size: "60153 IEC-C 799" with an ID of 2.67mm.
This waveguide is standardized in IEC 60153-4:1973 (2nd edition) as a so called intermediate size. Unfortunately in the standard currently in force, IEC 60153-4:2017 (3rd edition), they have "forgotten" to publish the table of intermediate sizes. However, the 4th edition of this standard - of which a draft version was completed only a few weeks ago - will bring back the intermediate sizes and also explain the different definitions for operating frequency bands.

Best regards,
Uli

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